On this week's Talking Games, what starts as a discussion with guest Eleni Sauvageau about guns and fighting in video games turns into a deeper discussion about what makes up a game in general. Can one have a game if there's no direct opposition in it? Does something like Gone Home count? Deep!

Thanks to our sponsors for the episode, Emporium Arcade Bar, and thanks as always to the Chicago Podcast Coop!

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